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why the 5 day refund policy?

Why does ICANN have the 5 day refund policy for registrars?
This is only an invite for domain fishing i.e. register and park domains and keep the ones that get enough type-in traffic to cover the registration fees. An invitation to SPAM in other words.

From a Business Directory owner...

Where is the add new post?

This is not a foum that i have ever encountered, where is the add new post, change your avatar?

This seems like a controlled listing of text.

So,

If it is not.

What do you think of ICANN?

0 = Very Poor
10 - Fantastic.

Vote now!

I would have a vote thing, but this is not a forum.

ICANN Meeting (Parise)

Hi
Im lupael from Bangladesh.Im a student and working in a IT Comp. I want to join in the Meeting held on Paris 2008 . But in my Passport my Profession is STUDENT. so it is possible to get Visa in this Profession?

Please inform me at info@lupael.com

With thanks
Md.Ashik Iqbal Lupael
Dhaka
Bangladesh
Cell: +880 1719 153197
E-mail: info@lupael.com
Web: www.lupael.com

What do you want to vote for?

What do you want to vote for?
Maybe you can post you oppinion at here :)
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chatrooms for Delhi meeting

I am having a bit of trouble finding webcast and chat links for this week's meeting, any pointers? I have found the media links on the session pages, but where is the info on chat sessions?

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Cheers,

McTim
$ whois -h whois.afrinic.net mctim

Chat is automatically

Chat is automatically available to logged in users on most open session pages. If you are not seeing a chat panel, and you are logged in, chat may not be available for that session.

networksolutions.com should not be allowed to be registrar

If you go to to networksolutions.com and search for a domain name the following will happen:
Within no time networksolutions will have registered that domain themselves, locking you into buying it from them.
Of course it is very overpriced.
That's extremely unfair and is not good practice.
I know that their at this moment is no rule against such bad behavior but ICANN should issue a new policy to solve that, because if any registrar did that...
...and its simply unethical.
Please lets act and stand against that fraudulent behavior.

Transport Arrangement

I came from Pakistan by Bus, is it any arrangements from ICANN or Local Host to Pick me from Arrival point to my hotel and Pick my hotel to Venue.

thks

leech behaviour

Why is ICANN not doing anything about "leech" behaviour when it comes to purchasing domain names. I find it really frustrating that aside from companies that actively engage in "front running", there are others who have just snapped up domains in bulk with a view to selling them on for hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

For large corporations this kind of money may not be a problem, however for already financially challenged charities, institutions, health organizations and so on it is impossible to have to submit to such unethical behaviour.

In my view there should be a rule which disallows one to sell a domain for more money then domain names currently sell for. If this is legally not possible, then ICANN should come up with alternatives that address not only future purchases but also domains that have already been snapped up by scrupulous companies. For instance there is no reason why any company or organisation should own hundreds of domains. Similarly any domain owned by a company but not being used in a meaningful manner and only having advertising or domain resell should have their domains forcibly made avilable for sale. Another measure would be domain churn - I suspect that bulk purchasers are buying a selling a lot of domains all the time.

If ICANN does not get tough then there will be no reason for ICANN TO exist. We may as well have chaos like we do today. Perhaps it may be appropriate to also check to see who is represented on ICANN's decision making boards - are these people mostly working for registrars and leech companies - after all it would be in a registrars interest to sell as many domains as possible and so bulk purchases are great for business.

At the end of the day, ICANN should in my view serve the needs of larger society and public. This cannot be achieved if the majority voice in ICANN is from people who have a financial interest in the buy/sell/management of domains.

leech behavior, how?

Dear KKC,

Many people register domain names for immediate advertising income or future development. It would not be appropriate to penalize the people who have taken the time to do the research and make the investment to acquire their names. I would like to build a house on the beach and when I drive down the beach, I still see land that does not have any use. It just sits vacant. However, the owners usually want hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for their land, many times more than they paid for it in some cases. Do you also think that the owners of this beach property should give it up to me because I want to make a legitimate home for my family there and I cannot afford their price?

No one is building any new beach front property in Florida. There is good news for you though. ICANN is creating a solution for those wanting a new domain names. They are in the process of allowing the creation of new gTLDs. There may be thousands of new gTLDs and an infinite supply of domains available soon.

Michael Collins
Internet Commerce Association

which meeting is useful to me

Dear kieren.mccarthy

pls tell me which meeting is useful to me , e.g i attached icann accredietd Domain Registrar Company. mean to say whic meeting is usefull to attend .

ccTLDs

Dear kieren.mccarthy

pls tell me im seeing any meeting or workshop on ccTLDs in the schedule, im interested in ccTLDs. pls explain .

thks

Listing

Hi Neelam,

If you click this link you will get a rundown of ccNSO meetings:

http://del.icann.org/days?filter0=**ALL**&filter1=17

But also there is a cc IDNs workshop:
http://del.icann.org/node/60

And a ccTLD technical meeting:
http://del.icann.org/node/48

Kieren

Any Last Date

Dear kieren.mccarthy

will you tell me please any last date for registration of Participation of New Delhi Meeting.\

Thks

Rgds

15 Feb

The last date is 15 Feb, Neelam - the last day of the conference i.e. there is a registration desk at the venue and you can turn up and register anytime.

However if you are coming from outside India, you will probably need a visa and that takes anything from three days to two weeks - so you would have to apply now. If you are Indian, you just have to get to Delhi (and find a hotel room).

Any other questions, just ask.

Kieren

Questions accepted ahead of time?

Hello everyone,
I'll be in Delhi until Feb 13th's night. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend the new gTLD's workshop as, at
that time, I'll be on the plane. Compared to the new
gTLD's workshop in LA meeting, this one won't last too
long (only 1 and 1/2 hours). Do you think there'll be time
for people to make comments, questions,etc?
I would like to post a few comments/questions concerning
the new gTLD's, but I'll be flying at that time. Does
anyone now if it's possible to post a question ahead of
time?
And, last thing, does anyone know if we can attend the
GNSO Council working session on Sunday 10 Feb and the
GNSO Council Meeting on Wednesday 13 Feb?
Thank you!

Asking questions

Hi Sue,

If you post some questions, I will do my best to get them raised during the meeting. Usually there is someone watching the chatrooms during a meeting (often me) who then reads out people's questions, but if you are on a plane, then posting questions to the Delhi meeting site would be a good start.

I have turned on the ability to add comments to the workshop on the schedule, so you can post your question(s) there.

http://del.icann.org/workshop/14feb08/gtlds

Re: GNSO Council meetings. The Sunday meeting is closed; the Wednesday meeting is open.

Kieren

Every one can participate in ICANN meetings

Hello, im surprised every one can participate in public meeting in New Delhi from any where in the world. Is it true?

Yes

Go to http://del.icann.org

Kieren

Who sponsor the expense

Who will be the sponsor of the expenses of accomodation in New Delhi Public Meeting of ICANN

Contact PakNIC (Pvt.) Limited for help

Neelam,

It might be a little late, but if you are in the conference and need any kind of help, please contact Mr. Aqeel Ahmad or Mr. Ahsan Fahmi from PakNIC (Private) Limited and they would be more than happy to assist.

PakNIC (Private) Limited (www.paknic.com) is ICANN Accredited Domain Registrar in Pakistan and they are willing to provide any kind of voluntary assistance.

No one

No one is sponsoring the accommodation in Delhi, Neelam.

Kieren

The agenda and meeting schedule of ICANN New Delhi 2008

any bod tell me when agenda and meeting schedule is developed and available on site

Online now

You can go here:

http://delhi.icann.org/days

for the full schedule

Kieren

registrar misuse of domain check

I found in a blog, and I verified, that networksolusions behave badly. I found no broken rules, so I ask the board to check if ICANN should issue a new consensus policy to solve such missuses.

The problem:

As user I sometime I check from registrar if a domain is available, and only later (maybe after some days) I register it (if it is still available, but usually it is).

But Networksolutions will register the domain few minutes after the check, for one year.

I'm very disappointed about such abuse. I really think that registrar should do fair games on registrar tasks.

questions!

Please could someone let me know as to when exactly is the New Delhi Meeting starting? Is it 9th 0r 10th as there are conflicting dates on the website del.icann.org.

Being a student of law my area of interest revovles round UDRP norms. So i wanted to enquire whether the same will be given due attention during this meeting?

The 10th, but...

Hi Kilokan,

The meeting will start on Sunday 10th, but there will be a few meetings of a few groups on the Saturday. Mostly these are closed groups so if you haven't heard about them, chances are that they won't involve you.

We will get the full schedule up as soon as possible so you can see.

 

Kieren

Public forum for discussing ICANN/registrar issues

I'm a newbie so I hope someone will direct me to the right place. I was wondering if there might be a public forum to discuss issues of registration fraud & how to address it in terms of ICANN. Beyond reporting it to ICANN, I'd like to find out what recourse I might have beyond that, & what ICANN will/can do about it vis a vis the registrar.

Richard Silverstein
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/

Excellent

Excellent

If you hold a trademark in the domain name, the process you need to be aware of is called UDRP - Uniform Dispute Resolution Process
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Previous posting not appeared?

Hello
I posted here a week ago and my posting has not appeared? Would you be able to look into this please?

Sorry for sending this query as a new posting but I don't see any way of contacting a forum admin.

thanks
Simon Coffey

New TLD s

What would it take to propose and create a new TLD for a region? The European union has .eu In the Caribbean we have both CARICOM and OECS and neither has an allocated 2 letter domain as far as I know.

research

Hi everybody

I am doing one research above this forum and would you help me?. I have the next question "ICANN corporation considers the ideas presented in this forum?

Estoy participando en una investigacion participante sobre este forum y queria pediros si me podeis contestar la siguiente pregunta: ¿la organizacion ICANN tiene en cuenta las ideas presentadas en este foro?

Regards

jboveb@uoc.edu

New domain and new system domain

Hi to all

That it must make to request a new dominion for a new company? and I must consider that the IP they changed in the future?

Best regards

rogerbosque@terra.es

ccTLDs domains

Does anybody knows how to create a ccTLD Domain? I know that there's a ccTLD for Tokely Islands (in the Pacific), it is www.domainname.tk (you can go to www.dot.tk) . I want to know how to create something like that, for example www.domainname.rj (for Rio de Janeiro, instead .br of Brazil), and all the ccTLD for the region in a country you want. The only limitation could be that the two letters weren't free. Thanks.

ccTLD's

The two-letter codes for the ccTLD's are taken from an ISO standard, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1 alpha-2

That standard, in turn, takes the country list from the list of member nations of the UN, member nations of UN agencies and a UN list of regions created for statistical purposes.

None provide a way for you to add yourself to the list. Certainly there are cities which found suitable ccTLD's, such as Toronto (.to) and Los Angeles (.la) - domains which seem to be popular in Tonga and Laos for some unknown reason. Getting the United Nations to recognise Rio de Janeiro as a sovereign nation, however, would likely be a major uphill battle.

Sure, Pitcairn Islands (.pn, population 47, of Mutiny on the Bounty fame) and US Minor Outlying Isles (.um, population 0, of US Guano Act of 1856 obscurity) made this list - and there's even a Google rebranded to display as google.pn

Nonetheless, if Rio wants a top-level domain, the only way may be not a ccTLD but a three-letter sponsored sTLD. Much like .asia is being created and .cat (Catalan) exists, .rio might be an option if you have many thousands of dollars and enough technical resources to go pitch the idea to ICANN.

It'd still be a difficult uphill battle, although some in .berlin .nyc and .paris are trying to get their cities through this long, difficult process so that they can feel as important as TO and LA.

Two-letter domains

There is some debate going on about this very question, especially with respect to Internationalised Domain Names. But Carl is right - the basic fact is that you will not get hold of a two-letter TLD - they are defined by an ISO list and that situation is very unlikely to change because of the global political implications.

However, you are welcome to apply for a three-letter and above gTLD when the process opens at some point next year. If you want a specific TLD for Rio de Janeiro then my advice would be to speak to Dirk Krischenowski, who is the CEO behind the company pitching for .berlin. Dirk knows better than anyone the issues and rules surrounding the addition (or not) of a city TLD.

 

Kieren

Two-letter domains

Thank you very much for your answer. I would like to know how to contact Dirk Krischenowski, or the web site that indicates me the steps to follow. Thanks.

Google

Google him, Claudio.

His email is on the ICANNwiki site for example.

 

Kieren

Dirk is really active and a

Dirk is really active and a good advocate of geoTLD.
the website is dotberlin.de

Rafik

ISOC-TN, IEEE-CS, IEEE-ComSoc, IEICE, IPSJ member

how icann help hosting company

can any one explane how icann help any new hosting company ?

There is support for you to Egypt ?

If I want to be a trusted hosting Company what should i do ?

How much money should be spent and I limited monay ?

and if i small hosting company how can you be certified?

i have alot of questions to ask and sorry for my bad english ...

You're talking to the wrong people

HI Mr Mohamed,

I'm afraid this is nothing ICANN can do to help you since ICANN has nothing to do with the practicalities of getting a website up.

That's the bad news. The good news is that there is nothing to stop you from setting yourself up as a hoster such is the open nature of the network. If you some capital and the technical skills, you can set yourself up in business today. But you should be warned that it is a very competitive market out there because of the ease of setting up as a hoster and also because it is a global market (i.e. you can select a host from anywhere in the world easily and quickly from anywhere else in the world).

I would strongly advise you find others who run hosting companies and talk to them about the pros and cons. Or possible offer to work as a reseller or their products.

But in answer to your question: ICANN does not certify hosters. It does accredit the company that sell domain names - registrars - but you are enquiring about hosting company and that is a separate function to registering domain names.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

 

Kieren McCarthy

General manager of public participation

 

 

but

dear Kieren McCarthy

Thank you for your feedback on the subject, but the basic question is how to make hosting company certified (i mean company can register site name like com biz ) and how icann help domains company Are there ideas or anything, the rules every thing will help me From the end I do not know anything on this subject all my simple, but i have the money and I want to know some inf&steps about this point first and then i will start the work .

thank you again ....

Becoming a registrar

If I understand you right, Mr Mohamed, you have a hosting company and want to know how to become an ICANN-accredited registrar so you are able to purchase domain names direct from registries as well as offer hosting.

I am not an expert in this, so please take these words as guidance rather than fact. There is a simple webpage on ICANN's site that walks you through becoming an ICANN-accredited registrar. You can click through to it here.

I believe I am right in saying that once you are accredited, you then need to approach the registries who domains you wish to sell (i.e. dotcoms, dotinfo) and agree terms with them.

I hope this helps. If you want more information get back and I will call around and get more information.

 

Kieren

This site is a parody?

Must be, if on this page I'm reading Kieren saying that UDRP is working and (in the "net coverage" sidebar on the same page) I'm reading a hyperlink "Hot Typo Names" http://blog.lextext.com/blog/_archives/2007/7/28/3125690.html pointing to "Pool.com cherrypicks the best of each day's deleting names and features them on its home page and in emails to members. Here's the list for Sunday, July 29, 2007: girlsfight.com, travolicty.com, exspidia.com, 3dsmax.com, porstarbook.com, travelolcity.com, exdedia.com, travelocy.com, travelolicty.com, travelicty.com. You got it: 8 of the top 10 "hot" names are typos. "

This sort of thing is exactly how UDRP is failing and failing badly. Pool should not be a registrar if it's knowingly promoting this and UDRP should be revised to deal with all of these as one batch instead of forcing the counterfeit "travelocity" domains to be handled separately from the bogus "expedia" domains of the same registrant.

TraveLOLcity might be a good name for a parody site, but otherwise, all I see here is the theft of trademark-like names through typosquatting. No registrar should be featuring these on its mainpage as 'business as usual'.

Confusing two things

If Travelocity wants these domains then it can go get them through UDRP.

You are also confusing UDRP with the issue of domain tasting - something that ICANN is addressing - there has already been an issues paper on it and staff recommended an official policy development process was launched into dealing with it.

The GNSO Council decided to hold back on a PDP until October I believe, but in the meantime staff are creating a more in-depth report in the issue outlining exactly what the issue and impacts are.

 

Kieren

Korean IDN.com domain meet a huge obstacle

Dear all

Hello, I'm a server manager in a Korean web hosting company. The recently big obstacle occurs in connection of Hangul .com (Korean IDN) domain.

Currently 92% of the Korean Internet users when using the Hangul.com and Hangul.net domain which is registered can only see the message "Page cannot be displayed.”
Before June 26th, it hasn't same current status.

So, All of Korean IDNs registrants are seriously putting on the monetary damage and fame of their site. I asked in various registrars and knew that is because Verisign's web-based navigation system stopped its working. Verisign operated it Korea and the various area does.

Verisign positions which it listens come from registrars is, because MS released IE 7.0, there are not necessity to operating i-nav navigation. But this judgment is to be incorrect at least in Korea.

Although, most of web browser supports IDNs after the release of MS IE v7.0, 93% of Korean users are still using IE v6.0. They can't use 200 thousand registered domains at all without i-nav navigation. After establishing IDNs's international standard, MS which show overwhelming superiority in Korea’s internet environment didn't update for IDNs of IE. Nevertheless, the reason Korean users used hangul.com service was because i-nav navigation gave every facility for it.

Unlike Europe and USA, only 7.34% of Korean users are using web browser what can use IDNs. 99% of Korean users are using MS's internet explorer, 6.8% users among them using v7.0 what support IDNs.
Europe and USA already executed automatic update of i.e. v7.0, but it is uncertain about the time in Asia. In Korea, 92.5% of internet users didn't get any result when they input hangul.com in address input area on the web browser from last Friday

Because well to know Korean Internet environment the KRNIC which is Korean ccTLD registry operates a difference server for Hangul.kr domain will be able to connected right site without help of browser. I think that i-nav navigation server was retired from service by Verisign didn't consider about this situation.

Registrar said they are requesting to solve this problem to Verisign but not expecting to answer in the affirmative. If it keeps on suspending using for hangul.com and hangul.net domain name, much damage is inflicted on 200 thousand domains's registrant and the foundation of IDNs business will be disappeared in Korea future.

Base on these facts, ICANN which control the domain registry needs to consider the seriousness of the problem and to do an appropriate action about it. I expect your sufficient countermeasure for domain and internet's universality.

Thanks for your concern.

* The statistical data are from the internettrend.co.kr's report.

Open source IDN plug-in

Hi Maycarry,

Have you heard of EchIDNA? It is an open source IDN plug-in for IE6 that I developed. The project is hosted at http://idn.isc.org/ .

Currently, it is not localized to Korean but I do welcome translations, and will gladly create an installation package for Korean users.

Sincerely,

=wil

Thank you for your information about IDNs plug-in

But the problem which I'm worrying is not How IE 6.0 will be able to connect korean IDNs.
The biggest problem is people does not install any plug-in to only use IDNs.
Thousand Registrants registered IDNs and give publicity to their site by that. Because people has knew basically IDNs is domain which is exactly same with English domain and that can be used by exactly same way with English domain.
But Verisign makes an effort to prove it was wrong through retirement of web-based navigation!!
This is problem.

MSIE and IDN's

Verisign is also distributing a plugin for IDN support on MS IE5 and IE6 at http://idnnow.com

Switching to IE7 is not a solution as that browser will not work under Win2000 or earlier, period.

Firefox seems to handle IDN's quite well.

In any case, do keep in mind that IDN's do open many fine opportunities for typosquatting and abuse. Wikipedia is not Wíkipedia is not Wikipédia, for instance - these three .org's get you an encyclopedia, an encyclopedia parody and a fake search engine in which all the results are pay-per-click linkspam (respectively). Something as subtle as an accent or a missing dot on one 'i' is enough to send you to a completely unrelated site, even with whatever registry precautions exist.

That's an another issue about IDNs

Of course, there are many web browsers or plug-in can support IDNs, now. My focus is installed browser are very very rare in Korea. (And IDN doesn't work in current situation substantially.)

The opinion, IDN can open many opportunities for typosquatting and abuse, is an another issue about IDNs and discussed steadily.
I agree with you, but have more interest Korean IDN problem for now. So, I hope we will discuss that issue at another forum.